Official browsers compatibility

Poster: stefan_bgbgbg
Dated: Sunday February 15 2004 - 13:19:35 GMT

Netscape Navigator on Unix/Linux 4.x+
Netscape Navigator on Unix/Linux 6.0 to 7.0+
Konquerer on Unix/Linux 6.0 to 7.0+ <---
Mozilla for Unix/Linux 0.7+


OK with the feature richness... but there are many much faster and stable in performance and more compatible dhtml menus...
http://www.hiermenuscentral.com
http://javascript.cooldev.com/scripts/coolmenu
http://www.smartmenus.org
...
...

Can you comment on the truthfulness of the above?

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 0:09:06 GMT

You don't seem to be asking a question for support, but rather slamming the menu. Just what 'support' or 'help' were you requesting, your slam doesn't seem to say, unless we are to interpret your arrow and laughs as you are having a problem with Konquerer? With other browsers? Hmm, maybe your upset for whatever reason, have a stake in the other menus just want to slam this and can't distinguish between the forums "Help and Suport for Version 5.0" and "Anything Goes"?

Personally I like this menu, seems to load fine on my site, works on the browsers I've tested, [though it may not work on some because of little things I added] and I only had one file in which to put all my things. Notice the word 'things' that might tell you up front I'm not real knowledgeable, and, for the non-knowledgeable I found having one file which is pretty clear in the example you get to be real helpful. And, yes, I downloaded all three of the ones you showed, but liked this, didn't have a lot of trouble figuring out how to configure it from the existing model.

Ruth

Poster: John
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 3:11:02 GMT

Right on, Ruth, as usual.

If stefan_bgbgbg would like to back up his comments about, "... there are many much faster and stable in performance and more compatible dhtml menus...", and definitely be more civil in his tone, perhaps there will be some civil answers in return.

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 3:46:55 GMT

^ 5....we need some more smilies One pulling out hair, one giving applause, one dancing and one giving the high 5! Hmmm, maybe I'll try making some

Ruth

Poster: Andy
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 9:56:31 GMT

I've dealt with this person before and the impression I got then, was that he must be involved with one of the "other" quoted menus, I'm guessing Smartmenus.

It's the only reason he would go to so much trouble to find the smallest problem with everything we do, nobody else would bother. He's quoted smartmenus in his other posts so if our menu is so poor and SM its so great then why is he still bothering with our menu?

It's probably best ignored.

But on the other hand it could be genuine and that he's coming across wrong, who knows.

Cheers
Andy

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 10:21:23 GMT

Yes, he could genuine and perhaps I took it wrong. But it would have been nice if we could know what the problem with whatever browser is, rather than surmise there is one.

Ruth

Poster: John
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 13:50:47 GMT


If that's the case then more than one of us took it wrong. He needs to work on his "people skills".

Poster: stefan_bgbgbg
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 15:54:55 GMT

I have been visiting your site from time to time as it appears on one of the top positions in Google when I do search for dhtml menus. I even registered as user some time ago to be able to download your script.

And the first time I tested your menu a few months ago I saw it was really one of the most feature rich I was able to find. But I found many little and not so little bugs and browser incompatibilities. Also the performance was not very stable and fast compared to other similar programmes.

When I donwloaded the mrnu again yesterday and tested it I saw it has not been improved much in compatibility and performance. Still many irritating bugs and still not very stable and fast performance. So I really got irritated by the fact you claim it is the fastest as it is not. And this is the truth.

I don't want to comment the claim of "Andy" who ahs "dealt with me before" that I am related to one of the programmes I mentioned or whatever.. I almost dropped dead laughing when I read this

I saw you have corrected your "Konqueror" mistake I would appreciate at least a "thanks!" but.. An please tell "Ruth" what it means. Anyway you will not meet me again on your site. You can delete my user account if you want.

Poster: John
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 16:03:33 GMT


Fine by me.

He still makes claims and backs them up with no information at all. Had he provided some kind of evidence or proof we would have been happy to discuss his concerns. We're pretty open and receptive around here, however his empty statements are just so much hot air.

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 16:09:37 GMT

Yes, we are, and I still have no idea what the problem was that got fixed, or what other problems to which he's alluding, since they are never delineated. And, whatever Stefan, or you guys since he seems to not want to tell me can tell me, truthfully, if it's about programming and such I'd be totally lost. Now, ask me how to conjugate a verb in the pluscuamperfecto, and I'd stay pretty close up there with you.

Ruth

Poster: John
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 16:21:48 GMT


Hmmm - wonder why the system didn't censor that...

Poster: Andy
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 19:06:43 GMT

What is going on with this guy.

This is VERY suspicious.

http://www.softcomplex.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=437

Note that she also lives in Bangladesh, she gets around a bit

-- Andy

Re: Official browsers compatibility

Poster: kevin3442
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 22:23:25 GMT

If I may, I think I'll just chime in with an opinion or two here... Why? Because the original post was simply pathetic and just begs for commentary (as is evident from the commentary). For new people reading this, please note that I am not an employee of Milonic Solutions, so my opinions are my own. For those of sensitive constitution, please be warned that you may encouter a little sarcasm if you read on.

First of all, this was originally posted in the forum entitled, "Help & Support for Version 5". Most people would assume that the title of that forum is suggestive of the type of content it is intended to hold... something that seems to have escaped stefan_bgbgbg's keen intellect. In his defense, however, I suppose that it would have required some actual effort to find a more suitable forum for this post. And based on the amount of data stefan_bgbgbg supplied to support his claims, it's obvious just how much effort he is willing to exert. Fortunately, John put forth the effort that stefan_bgbgbg apparently couldn't manage and moved the thread to a more appropriate forum, wisely selecting the "Anything Goes" forum, since we don't have a "Baseless Claims" forum.


Is that the request for help? A bug report? If so, in what language? Certainly not in one that would pass for a reasonable request.


OK... so I suppose this was your idea of letting Milonic "hear about it." Fair enough. But it doesn't say "let's hear about it by having you publicly bash our product on our own website in the 'help' forum." Sheesh!


Many? So, is three your idea of "many"? Most of us might call that "a few." Then again, most of us wouldn't post a public bash in the Help forum. Or were we supposed to take the following insightful part of your list:

as further proof of your claim?


"more compatible"??? What does that mean? Something is either compatible with another thing, or it isn't. I'm not aware of any "degree of compatibility" measure. Do you perhaps mean that one particular menu offers more features in a particular browser than another menu does?


I can. I have tried recent versions of the many... sorry... the three alternatives that you mentioned and, in my experience, Milonic menus are faster than HierMenus and Coolmenu, and at least as fast as Smartmenus, when comparing similarly constructed menus (comparing pure text-based to pure text-based for example). I have no empirical test data to back that up, but I am not particulary concerned about that since you apparently don't either.


I have read your many... sorry... few previous posts and have not replied, specifically because of their rude tone.


So where are the bug reports from you? Where are the requests for assistance when something doesn't work the way you expect it to? Often times, what people intially interpret as a "bug" simply turns out to be incorrect use of a feature that can be easily corrected. But I have only seen you post one topic reporting what you preceived as bugs (many of which weren't). So, rather than posting to get help, you just post a flame instead... yeah, that makes sense... really adds to the credibility of your claims too. Good strategy.


...<parody>"So I consulted my four-year-old as to the best approach to resolving the issues I have with your menu, and we decided that a public tantrum would be in order. We also decided that to counter your claim most effectively, we should simply state that "it is not" and further support our view by insisiting that "this is the truth." My four-year-old calls this the 'is not/is too/is not/is too' debate strategy and assures me that it works well, and that no empirical facts are required to substantiate our view."</parody>


"But I will anyway."


... OK... that'd be too easy, so I'll just quote it and avoid further comment.


See below.


"Since I can't be bothered to, yet again."


"Thanks" (there it is). I will, however, admit to a certain amount of disappointment. I was so looking forward to your next insightful pile of... um... comments.

OK... seriously now. The bottom line is that not everyone will be happy with a product. Fine. If you think a competing product is better, then by all menas use it, but don't repeatedly advertise a competing product on someone's commercial site... that's just bad form. Or if you hope to use a product, but have some concerns, then make them known and politely seek help through the available channels. But this sort of thing is an example of how not to use such channels.

Kevin

Poster: John
Dated: Monday February 16 2004 - 22:31:27 GMT

Help - Help - I can't stand it

Somebody please help me up off the floor...

Right on, Kevin (as always).

PS - One "Baseless Claims" forum coming up...

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Tuesday February 17 2004 - 0:14:47 GMT

He can't help you up until he helps me. Ladies first!!! ROTFLOOOOOOOOOL

Waiting with bated breath [when not laughing] for the Baseless Claims Forum.

And, dang it, would somebody explain whatever no body is explaining to me! __at__ ! __at__ !

Ruth

Poster: John
Dated: Tuesday February 17 2004 - 14:15:40 GMT


Huh

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Tuesday February 17 2004 - 20:32:34 GMT

stefan_bgbgbg said

Then again, he made not too much sense so it probably means nothing, whatever IT is

Ruth