Frame Based Menu

Poster: Stone
Dated: Wednesday September 3 2003 - 12:50:41 BST

is there a sample for frame based menu with the new version 5 here on the side?? I found only a sample for an older Version

Poster: Maz
Dated: Wednesday September 3 2003 - 15:07:16 BST

Search the forum, the guide is to avoid frames.

maz

Poster: hagi108
Dated: Thursday September 4 2003 - 19:52:50 BST


I have the same problem and skipping the frames is not an option.

Hopefully, somebody can help

Poster: Hergio
Dated: Friday September 5 2003 - 3:14:02 BST

Iframes may be your only option. The menu works fine overlapping them and you can load your links into them as if they were regular frames. Sorry it doesn't support frames at the current time...it may never. But if enough need for frames is found to exist, then maybe. But I doubt it.

Poster: hagi108
Dated: Friday September 5 2003 - 12:42:53 BST


Hm....I have to find another menu then
The milonic menu is very nice, pity I can't use it

Poster: fredlongworthhighschool
Dated: Friday September 5 2003 - 13:28:30 BST

Can you not use Iframes instead? I'm changing my site from frames and it's going quite well.

Poster: Hergio
Dated: Friday September 5 2003 - 18:13:51 BST

Sorry to hear that. As you may know, Milonic is an excellent menu and its got all the features any other menus have, plus more. It would be well worth it to wheen yourself off of frames...not only because they aren't very easy to work with but because then the v5 can work with them, and thats huge! Or use v3 if you want, it supports frames although its not technically supported by Milonic anymore. GO the homepage under DHTML Menu and you see the frame sample.

Poster: EzJ
Dated: Wednesday September 10 2003 - 14:35:03 BST

This is bad. I have just purchased your menus for a frame based site. I even thought to myself "best trial version 5 before buying" only to find you have prevented that.

Having a "frames demo" on your site is clearly false advertising and I am feeling a little ripped off now.

Frames have a very clear and useful purpose, Iframes however are no subsitute for frames and are far less supported.

Its a shame, I have been singing your praises since seeing version 3. Now I have to listen to my boss saying "told you so" as he implied there must be issues due to the fact you prevent testing of version 5

I will try version 3 but I am worried by the fact you no longer support it, again this can only imply it to has issues???

Poster: Hergio
Dated: Wednesday September 10 2003 - 22:31:03 BST

Version 3 was right on for its time and it did the job and did it well. As with most DHTML menus out there, you're going to run into quirky bugs due to the sheer number of environments these menus are subjected to.

The new version of the menu was designed around speed and functionality and to work with more types of browsers and interact with them in better ways. It was a design time decision to exclude frames from the support as it didn't fit well with what Milonic wanted to make. Because they no longer support it or even decided to create a new version doesn't mean the old one had issues, it just means they wanted to improve their product. And from a business perspective, it wouldn't be cost effective to support version 3. Milonic is investing its resources in version 5 now and we'd still be in RC1 if they had to support and develop both. Did you know Microsoft does not support win98 or winNT anymore? Its because businesses just can't do it, not that they don't believe in their own products.

One other thing to note, version 5 technically is till in development. Its in RC 9 so things that are going to be done to it still aren't finished. You said you purchased the menus (so I am guessing you mean license), this means you should still be able to download any versions of the menu, whether they be version 5 or version 3. So you can still follow the development of version 5 as new improvements are made. Plus you shouldnt be too upset, you paid for a menu to use on your frames-based site and you're getting it with version 3. I can't expect someone to give me a free version of Windows98 because WinXP won't run on my old Pentium 2, can I?

I totally understand where your coming from. Frames have and will provide a unique service to the web experience. And you've probably invested a ton of time into your site and revamping it just for the menu probably doesn't sit to well with you, and thats fine. This company is not out to take peoples money and rip them off, believe me. I've seen more cooperation with this company and its users regarding feedback and innovation then alot of companies have with their customers.

Like I said, you should be able to continue to download and see whats in store. If down the line the v5 proves to you its worth your time, you have a license. Otherwise, v3 will more than fit the bill. I feel bad if you are mislead, I will contact Andy (if hes not already reading this) and mention that maybe it would be a good idea to make it apparent the frames sample is the v3 menu. Its not a bad menu, as you well know. It just serves your purpose better than version 5.

Best of luck with the menu and I hope you stick with us. We're always makin this thing better.

Poster: fredlongworthhighschool
Dated: Thursday September 11 2003 - 14:58:59 BST

The frames issue and V5 did get me. Ideally it would have been much easier for me to use a V5 frames menu, but I decided to change my site completely.

Many people have said that Iframes has many advantages over normal frames. They do seem a little more tricky to set up, but I am more than impressed with the results so far. You have to bear in mind that the web is continually being developed and, just like Windows, a new version is much better than an upgrade. Web sites soon begin to look stale and will not attract customers if the look and feel never changes.

As long as you use version 3, you will still receive lots of help and support from this forum.