Free Licenses

Poster: Andy
Dated: Monday October 6 2003 - 22:13:06 BST

By the end of this week the free downloads for licensed users WILL be Milonic link free again.

We are going to put our trust in people that they will help us to help them by adhering to our pretty humble requirements, i.e. copyright, link, let us know. It's simple really.

However, those users that do not have a license will have to go through our usual free license checks. This is now a full time job and unfortunately salaries have to be paid. So to cover this cost, a very small admin charge of about 3-4 bucks will be required. This is non-profit money, it's purely to cover our costs. Once the license has been approved it will be a lifetime license and a lifetime of upgrades, you wont have to apply again for the same domain name.

I didn't want to go down this route as I can hear people complaining now but we only need to cover our costs.

So that's that, once the system is in place, we'll see how it goes. It would so much easier for us to NOT do free licenses but that's not what we are about and we want to help where we can but we can't do this free forever. For instance, non-profits get tax concessions, we do not. If we did, things might be a little different.

Regards
Andy

Poster: John
Dated: Monday October 6 2003 - 22:23:54 BST

Sounds more than fair to me.

Poster: Googolplex
Dated: Monday October 6 2003 - 22:34:46 BST

I agree, sounds just perfect

Keep up the good work Andy

Poster: 4viggo
Dated: Monday October 6 2003 - 23:16:29 BST

Still leaves you with all the work, each site needs to be verified etc.

But it's close to my suggestion of having a cheap license without support, and a more expensive one with full support.

( I am still going to buy one for full price )

Keep up the excellent work

regards
4viggo

Poster: Hergio
Dated: Tuesday October 7 2003 - 2:06:10 BST

Definetly fair. Yeah I think you will get those people that will still complain about the 5 bucks but then again you will also get those people oh so happy that its just 5 bucks! Know what I mean? Keep it up!

Poster: fredlongworthhighschool
Dated: Tuesday October 7 2003 - 10:43:36 BST

Andy, do you have a personal Paypal account that we can donate money to? If the tax makes it not worth doing commercially, surely there is no harm in making it a personal gift?

Poster: Andy
Dated: Tuesday October 7 2003 - 11:34:31 BST

Even gifts are taxable

You can use paypal address milonicmenu hat milonic.com but we'll still have to generate a receipt for this.

Cheers
Andy

Poster: fredlongworthhighschool
Dated: Tuesday October 7 2003 - 12:15:45 BST

I don't think the $5 charge is unreasonable. I can't see anyone coming up with an excuse of not to pay it.

Would it be any help in recruiting volunteers to check the sites for you? I am sure many of us have some spare time that we could put to good use in this way.

Poster: Maz
Dated: Tuesday October 7 2003 - 15:28:23 BST

I know how it helps to automate tasks, so I'll throw this idea out, there are portals for matching organization name and EIN (employer id no.) to determine legitimate non-profits.

Other factors that throw this off, is locating the correct portal by country, and locating the organization or institute parent id of the applicant.

Maybe not impossible to automate the proccess.

Regards
maz

How do i obtain a free license?

Poster: kfisker
Dated: Sunday November 23 2003 - 1:13:35 GMT

Hello

I'm currently making a homepage for an amateur football club in Denmark. There's no money involved in the making of this site.

Though i find your menu very usefull for us, i don't like the button with the link to your website, as it is in the free version.

I have read that it's possible to get permission to use a free license, without the button, but instead use a link to your webside elsewhere, and i would like to ask for a free license.

I have read about the fee, and have no problem with that, but i can't seem to find any information on how to apply for a free license, and how to pay for it.

Can someone please help me.

In advance, thanks

Poster: bobwill
Dated: Sunday November 23 2003 - 14:28:01 GMT

Go to the following links and I think your question will be answered.

http://www.milonic.co.uk/nplicense.php

http://www.milonic.com/licfaq.php

Poster: DeepTii
Dated: Wednesday November 26 2003 - 12:24:09 GMT

Thank you, the Milonic team for giving out free licenses to charity sites. With your tool I have been able to enhance the browsibility of my site to a great extent.

This in turn, helps the readers to navigate in the site much better.

I will find a place on my site to place a logo linking to your site. The current site is still under construction and can be viewed at:

http://www.buddhasasana.net


Thanks again for your great work and charity.


Best regards,

Yi-Lei Wu

payment?

Poster: Silverion
Dated: Tuesday December 16 2003 - 21:29:53 GMT

Believe me, I wouldn't mind paying the money for so called administrative non-profit purposes (lol, right!) but seriously, I dont know your payment options or how these things work. I can only pay by cash in US dollars, and even then I don't know what the exchange is. Someone please help

Poster: kevin3442
Dated: Wednesday December 17 2003 - 0:24:51 GMT

Step 1 - Create and Account for http://www.milonic.com by going here, then clicking the "creat account" button. Fill out the form on the resulting page. Remember the email address you create the account with, because you will use that to log in for future sessions.

Step 2 - Once logged into the site, go here and follow the steps to obtain a non-profit license. If you are logged in, the 5 pound fee should automatically convert to your local currency, using current exchange rates.

As to purchasing... the purchase page says that Milonic accepts cash, but I do not know the procedure. I would imagine they'd invoice you and you'd send the cash, but that's just a guess.

I've never applied for a free license myself, so that's about as far as I can help with this. Anyone else?

Kevin

Poster: Hergio
Dated: Wednesday December 17 2003 - 2:11:14 GMT

If you can only pay with cash I am assuming you do not have a credit card or a checking account. If this is correct, and cash is your only option, I think you should get yourself a money order or certified check. Basically take the cash to a local bank or convenience store and there you may be able to have a money order created for the small admin fee. Just send that using snail mail.

Another option that I have seen used is if you have any friends who have a credit card, have them pay the small fee with their card and just give them the cash. It all works out in the end.

Anything you can do to help support this menu system is greatly appreciated!!!!

Poster: Silverion
Dated: Wednesday December 17 2003 - 12:01:52 GMT

thanks. my whole site is based around your menu system (http://digital.dyns.net) and I do want to support the hard work you guys have put up for this menu, especially all the volunteer admin. without you guys, this website would be lamoo! thanks for everything!

Poster: John
Dated: Thursday December 18 2003 - 21:47:31 GMT

Thank you. Your kind words are most appreciated!

Poster: Silverion
Dated: Thursday January 22 2004 - 23:29:32 GMT

woah, woah woah. you said the license was 5 bucks, right? then why does it say this on nplicense.php:



i'd pay 5 bucks no problem, but 10 bucks?????? thats askin for a little more there....

Poster: John
Dated: Friday January 23 2004 - 2:35:47 GMT

The original note from Andy was posted over 4 months ago. Costs go up, or hadn't you heard. Development on this menu has been almost literally a 7 day a week passion for Milonic. You obviously have no idea at all what has gone into this menu system, nor, apparently, do you care. Otherwise you wouldn't be ragging about a few measly bucks, especially given what the product can do.

In my personal opinion (I do not work for Milonic), you would be better off finding another menu elsewhere.

Poster: Andy
Dated: Friday January 23 2004 - 9:11:58 GMT

A lot of this is due to the current exchange rate.

4 months ago the full menu was around $36.00, today it is around $44.00 and we've not changed the price.

Unfortunately, we have no control over the World's monetary system and to keep the costs the same for US would mean we lose money.

The price of the non-profit license is actually £5 (GBP) - converted to dollar is almost $10, 4 months ago this would have been around $7.50

-- Andy

Poster: fredlongworthhighschool
Dated: Friday January 23 2004 - 14:55:21 GMT

Blame the US's weak Dollar, not Milonic.

Besides, it's about time us Brits had things cheaper than the US. Using the exchange rate of 1.8, we currently pay the following:

Cigarettes: $8.10 per packet of 20
Petrol: $1.35 per litre ($7.43 per gallon?)
Big Mac: $3.58
Recent release DVD: $35.98
Entry-Level stand alone DVD recorder: $538.20

Poster: Silverion
Dated: Saturday January 24 2004 - 4:42:07 GMT

ah, ok thx i get it. and I do see the hard work that was put into it. dhtml is kinda hard to write, and for a whole menu ssytem to be written around it is hard work...

gas in the U.S. is $1.20-$1.35 depending on where you go
Big Mac is $1.50 or so
Recent release DVD - $20 or so.
crappy computer - $475
milonic administration fee - $10 (lol!)

sry ppl, just seemed wierd at first.... man britz have a wierd monetary system!

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Sunday January 25 2004 - 23:16:13 GMT

::giggle:: they have a weird measuring system, too...Wonder what you'd call a ten gallon hat, a foot stool? Would one pcentimeter a baby's rosy cheek?

Ruth

Poster: fredlongworthhighschool
Dated: Monday January 26 2004 - 18:16:57 GMT



We're too sensible to wear ten gallon hats!

Poster: John
Dated: Monday January 26 2004 - 19:05:43 GMT


Speaking for yourself, of course, fella...

Poster: Andy
Dated: Monday January 26 2004 - 19:07:28 GMT

It's certainly not speaking for me, I'm not at all

-- Andy

Poster: John
Dated: Monday January 26 2004 - 19:08:53 GMT


Umm - not at all sensible...?

Poster: Andy
Dated: Monday January 26 2004 - 19:47:39 GMT

Exactly my point - Can't even finish my sentences

Cheers
Andy

Poster: John
Dated: Monday January 26 2004 - 19:52:48 GMT


So why should you be any different from the rest of... us?

Poster: kevin3442
Dated: Tuesday January 27 2004 - 1:20:28 GMT


Holy markup batman! Better start filling up those 10-gallon hats... oh wait, you don't have those!


Good one Ruth! ROTFLMAO.

--Kevin

Poster: Hergio
Dated: Tuesday January 27 2004 - 5:30:22 GMT

Where the hell are you payin 1.20 - 1.35 per gallon of gas?!?! I am paying 1.75 right now in the Northeast (Western New York)! Whoa!

Poster: fredlongworthhighschool
Dated: Tuesday January 27 2004 - 11:22:06 GMT

$1.75 per gallon? We are certainly being fleeced when we pay almost the same per litre!

Our petrol is so expensive because 80% of it is goverment tax. To add insult to injury they tax the fuel and then add VAT (sales tax) to that, so we pay tax on tax!

Poster: John
Dated: Tuesday January 27 2004 - 14:06:20 GMT

$1.43 here about a week ago. Now $1.54. Simply BS by the oil companies. You can't convince me that because the price of crude oil that hasn't even left port yet was raised, it should immediately affect the price of gas that is already here and in the tanks at the stations.

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Tuesday January 27 2004 - 16:16:16 GMT

If they aren't careful here in the states we will be doing the same thing so the politicians can reach more deeply into our pockets for their little 'projects' - why should our fed level pay for some tourist attraction in a city? As to the cost by the oil companies.....get the government control of every little thing which adds to the cost and make it a really free market and I bet the cost would come down.....competition is the way to keep prices down! [just for info, the profit margin of most oil companies, and yes there will be the exceptions, is 6=8%...not a real big is it? Personally, I'm pushing for the alternative fuels.....it may take awhile but they are on the way!!!! competition, competition

Poster: Googolplex
Dated: Friday March 12 2004 - 18:32:21 GMT

$1.75 pr. litre ? well, I only pay$1.25 pr. litre. Perhaps that's why we also have a 200% tax on cars ?

Poster: John
Dated: Saturday March 13 2004 - 1:11:20 GMT

Last week mine was $1.98/gal. This morning $1.96, and this afternoon $1.94 at the same station. At least it's headed in the right direction.

Poster: Maz
Dated: Saturday March 13 2004 - 1:24:30 GMT

Sounds like a real bargain, have you seen the prices on software lately.

maz

Poster: John
Dated: Saturday March 13 2004 - 23:09:15 GMT


Afraid to look Couple things I need - er, want, but I'd rather not start crying...

How to figure my current status

Poster: mfurf
Dated: Friday April 9 2004 - 15:31:56 BST

I've got two questions,

First, I've been off the board since last September and when I just came back to see how you all are [after being jogged by Milonic's anti-spam email], I see we have just gone from Version 5.11 to 5.12. Yet when I look at my downloaded version from last September the Version reads:



So I must have missed some new numbering system since I can see the version [5] and update sequencing and dates on Milonic's site. What happened?

And if I want to update my version, I just have to what, overwrite the src.js file or both that and the mmenudom.js file too?

Second, although my ministry is non-profit, I still paid for the license and can't understand the walking-on-eggshells because in a world where pricing is often what the market will bear, I am motivated to support those who underprice the product for the sake of helping those who don't have the big bucks. And in my humble opinion the pro license is underpriced [it's worth so much more than is being asked].

Don't we realize it is to our advantage that Milonic be supported and paid what the product is worth so that the updates can continue to come forth and the company prosper? IF MILONIC PROSPERS, WE ALL WIN.

Hey, I just talked myself into renewing my license so I am going to buy another license just to put my money where my mouth is. What the heck, forty four dollars [or whatever] is a small price to pay for what one gets. Were it up to me, every update cut would be emailed to all Milonic users with the option of buying it for five dollars or passing it up. There I got that off my chest! /mfurf

Poster: Ruth
Dated: Friday April 9 2004 - 16:12:12 BST

^5, I'm with you. I absolutely love this menu. I could have obtained it free for my personal site but it is so good I bought it, also. Now as to the version. Nothing changed as to numbering except that whoo hoo the final release came out in January. So the numbers before were the developing and working out the major bugs release candidates, ie rc and now we have the final, which of course is not really final because new things get added and subtle unknown seldom happen bugs get found and fixed. So, to update, you just go the main site, log in and click the download. Read the docs, I believe there were some changes from rc 11, gosh that must have been a hundred or so back from now.
As to the buying of updates, hmmm, well , you'd have to think of the overhead cost and work to Milonic with that, as it is I believe the small admin fee for a free license is around 10 or so dollars and that's just to cover cost of paperwork.

Poster: mfurf
Dated: Friday April 9 2004 - 17:01:43 BST

Thanks Ruth. In the interim I went and got another license and was waiting for refresher instructions [I mean I recall overwriting a single file in the old days of 3.0 but I forgot about 5.0 since it has 3 files [I seem to remember] before unzipping. I'll go look at the readme. /mfurf

Poster: John
Dated: Friday April 9 2004 - 21:01:13 BST

Actually, since the last version you had was RC11, I think you might find some other changes in there as well. There were some minor syntax changes to the _data statements and a few other things right around that time frame. As you mentioned, check the read-me and install files to be sure.

Re: How to figure my current status

Poster: kevin3442
Dated: Friday April 9 2004 - 21:27:12 BST

Hi mfurf,

Welcome back.


Each time you update, you have to upload new copies milonic_src.js, mmenudom.js, and mmenuns4.js.

Cheers,

Kevin

How does one get the "free" license?

Poster: Halobox
Dated: Thursday April 15 2004 - 7:14:07 BST

Hello,

How do I order the "free" license? http://www.milonic.co.uk/nplicense.php and http://www.milonic.com/nplicense.php don't seem to be working.

Did this process get pulled? I'd like to get a license for my personal site. I'll likely pay for another license for my wife's ecommerce site.

Thanks

Poster: John
Dated: Thursday April 15 2004 - 15:14:56 BST

That is an invalid link (milonic.co.uk is no more).

See http://www.milonic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3791 for a discussion on this, especially the response from Andy.

Also see the statement in the middle of http://milonic.com/.

Got it

Poster: Halobox
Dated: Thursday April 15 2004 - 16:22:29 BST

Ok thanks John. It's just confusing because there is a variety of information on the subject and I just wanted to make sure I was playing in the rules.

Halobox

Poster: John
Dated: Thursday April 15 2004 - 16:29:24 BST

You're welcome, and you're also correct. It is confusing (even for us!), and right now is still changing. Part of the problem is the abuse of the free system, and some users who out and out steal the code and make it look as if is their own. Quite understandably, Andy reacts to these situations while still trying to retain the fairness for which he is known.

Thanks for caring enough to ask!